Source Code: My Beginnings — Consolidated Notes

Consolidated from the nested Snipd exports in this branch. The chapter order follows the book: prologue, chapters 1–14, and epilogue.

Opening Credits | Dedication | Epigraph | Prologue

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  Merged 4 chapters: [00:00] Opening Credits [00:20] Dedication [00:32] Epigraph [00:41] Prologue

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[00:44] Hiking Group

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Hiking Group

• Bill Gates started hiking with a group of boys around Seattle when he was 13.

• This group initially formed as a splinter from their Boy Scout troop.

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**Bill Gates**

When I was around 13,

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[00:44] Early Hiking Adventures

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Early Hiking Adventures

• Bill Gates recounts forming a hiking group with friends around age 13.

• They sought more freedom and risk than Boy Scout trips offered, exploring the Pacific Northwest.

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**Bill Gates**

When I was around 13, I started hanging out with a group of boys who met up for regular long hikes in the mountains around Seattle. We got to know each other as Boy Scouts. We did plenty of hiking and camping with our troop, but very quickly we formed a sort of splinter group that went out on our own expeditions. And that's how we thought of them, as expeditions. We wanted more freedom and more risk than the trips the scouts offered. There were usually five of us, Mike, Rocky, Riley, Danny, and me. Mike was the leader. He was a few years older than the rest of us and had vastly more outdoor experience. Over the course of three years or so, we hiked hundreds of miles together. We covered the Olympic National Forest west of Seattle and Glacier Peak Wilderness to the northeast and did hikes along the Pacific coast. We'd often go for seven days or more at a stretch, guided only by topographic

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[07:03] Defining Success

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Defining Success

• Programming suited Bill Gates, allowing him to define his success. It felt limitless, unlike physical activities.

• He naturally possessed the logic, focus, and stamina required for complex programs.

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**Bill Gates**

Like hiking, programming fit me because it allowed me to define my own measure of success, and it seemed limitless, not determined by how fast I could run or how far I could throw. The logic, focus, and stamina needed to write long, complicated programs came naturally to me. Unlike in hiking, among that

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[13:59] Hiking and Coding

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Hiking and Coding

• Bill Gates silently honed his code during a difficult 20-mile hike where a companion was injured.

• The hike provided the time to refine his program, resulting in the best code he had ever written.

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**Bill Gates**

Now we moved only as fast as Chip limped. All the while, I silently honed my code. I hardly spoke a word during the 20 miles we hiked that day. Eventually, we came to a shelter that had room for us and set up camp. Like the famous line, I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. It's easier to write a program in sloppy code that goes on for pages than to write the same program on a single page. The sloppy version may also run more slowly and use more memory. Over the course of that hike, I had the time to write short. On that long day, I slimmed it down more, like whittling little pieces off a stick to sharpen the point. What I made seemed efficient and pleasingly simple. It was by far the best code I had ever written. As we made

Chapter One: Trey

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[02:12] Gammy’s Card Games

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Gammy’s Card Games

• Bill Gates’s grandmother, Gammy, initiated him into card games early, starting with Go Fish at age five.

• Gammy always played to win, fascinating Bill with her mastery of various card games.

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**Bill Gates**

I am actually number four, but my dad chose to go by junior, and in turn, I got called Bill Gates III. Gammy started me off at age five with Go Fish. In the coming years, we would play thousands of hands of cards. We played for fun, and we played to tease each other and pass the time. But my grandmother also played to win, and she always did. Her mastery fascinated me back then. How did she get so good? Was she born that way? She was religious, so maybe it was a gift from above? For a long time, I didn't have an answer. All I knew was that every time we played, she won, no matter the game, no matter how hard I tried. When Christian science rapidly expanded across the West Coast in the early 1900s, both my mother's and father's families became devout followers. I think my mother's parents drew strength from Christian science, embracing its belief that a person's true identity is found in the spiritual, not the material. They were strict adherents. Because Christian scientists don't track chronological age, Gammy never celebrated her birthday, never disclosed her age, or even the year she was

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**Bill Gates**

Gammy continued to live there after my grandfather died. On some weekends, Christy and I would stay over, alternating who got the privilege of sleeping in Gammy's room. The other one slept in a nearby bedroom where everything from walls to curtains was pale blue. Light from the street and passing cars painted eerie shadows in that blue room. I got scared sleeping there and was always glad when it was my turn to stay in Gammy's room. Those weekend visits were special. Her house was just a couple of miles from ours, but spending time there felt like a vacation. She had a pool and compact mini golf course we'd play in the side yard set up by my grandfather. She also allowed us the treat of television, a tightly controlled substance at our own house. Gammy was up for anything.

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**Bill Gates**

She's coaching my sister and me while also playing her own hand. She somehow grasps everything happening at the table and even seems to know the cards we're each holding. And it's not magic. How is she doing it? To anyone who plays cards, this is basic stuff. The more closely you can track your opponent's hand, the better your chances of winning. Still, to me, at that age, it's a revelation. I see for the first time that for all the mystery and luck in a game of cards, there are things that I can learn to increase my chances of winning. I realize Gammy isn't just lucky or talented. She's trained her brain and I can too.

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**Bill Gates**

Implicit was the idea that if I used my brain, stayed focused, I could figure out the right card to play. I could win. One day, I did. There was no fanfare, no grand prize, no high fives. I don't even remember what game we were playing the first time I won more games in a day than she did. I do know my grandmother was pleased. I'm pretty sure she smiled, an acknowledgement that I was grown. Eventually, it took about five years. I was winning consistently. By that point, I was almost a teenager, naturally competitive. I enjoyed the mental wrestling, as well as the deeply satisfying feeling you get from learning a new skill.

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**Bill Gates**

We feel very accepted by him since he is including us as passengers on his proposed moonshot, they wrote. I was ahead of Kennedy by a few years. What educators and my parents noted at an early age were hints of what would come. I channeled the same intensity that drew me into solving the puzzle of Gammy's card skill into anything that interested me and nothing that didn't. The things that interested me included reading, math, and being alone in my own head. The things that didn't were the daily rituals of life in school, handwriting, art, and sports. Also, mostly everything my mother told me to do. My parents' struggle with their hyperkinetic, brainy, often contrarian, tempestuous son would absorb much of their energy as I grew up and would indelibly shape our family.

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**Bill Gates**

You know, Bill, that if you truly loved me always, I would do anything in the world for you. I love you, Bill. Mary. In the letter, I glimpsed the private negotiations that surely continued all through my childhood and beyond. They nearly always maintained their solid front, in private, working out their differences, most of which stemmed from how each was raised. My mom, Mary Maxwell, grew up in the embrace of a family culture set by her grandfather, J.W. Maxwell, a banker who doted on my mom and was a model for a life of constant self-improvement. As a boy in Nebraska, J.W. Quit school and talked himself into a job digging out the basement of a house owned by a local banker in return for money and room and board. When J.W.

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**Bill Gates**

He had also served as a mayor, a state legislator, a school board member, and a director of the Federal Reserve. The platform of wealth and opportunity set by JW and furthered by my grandfather, also a banker, meant that my mom would want for nothing as a child. She was a great student with a full slate of sports and activities with family and a wide circle of friends. Sundays were for family picnics and summer days for swimming at her grandparents' beach house on Puget Sound. Sports and games were an essential part of any gathering. Croquet, shuffleboard, and horseshoes were mainstays, and there was no question that my mom would learn to play tennis, ride horses, and become a graceful skier. In the Maxwell family, games held larger lessons.

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**Bill Gates**

My father named his car Clarabelle, which he thought fit its middle-aged persona. Clarabelle brought him freedom, carrying him on dates to football games and on fishing trips. At times, as many as 10 people squeezed into the rumble seat and hung off the fenders as it rattled down the Bremerton streets and the rutted Forest Service roads outside of town. By then, my father had started to drift away from Christian science and to question religion broadly. In his last year of high school, my dad and two friends started spending their Sunday nights at the home of their school's basketball coach, Ken Wills, a revered leader at the school. On Sundays, he opened his gym for anyone who'd rather play basketball than go to church. In the evening, my dad and his friends listened to his arguments for why they should question the Old Testament and the existence of God.

Chapter Two: View Ridge

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[00:41] Seattle’s First Tornado

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Seattle’s First Tornado

• In 1962, Bill Gates’s family experienced Seattle’s first recorded tornado in their View Ridge neighborhood.

• The tornado damaged their property, but luckily, no one was hurt.

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**Bill Gates**

My mother ushered us into the basement where we huddled near our stash of canned food and other nuclear attack supplies. In 1962, a bomb seemed far more likely than what did disrupt that Friday evening. A tornado. The first in Seattle's recorded history. It formed in our View Ridge neighborhood.

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[02:20] Early Awareness

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Early Awareness

• Bill Gates shares his early awareness of historic events through snippets of news his parents watched and discussed.

• These events included the Civil Rights Movement and the Cold War.

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**Bill Gates**

It didn't fit my mother's image of how the Gates family should present itself. My sister Christy and I, and later Libby, were part of the huge cohort of kids, baby boomers, born in the period of prosperity and optimism that followed World War II. The Cold War was in full swing and the civil rights movement had started. Weeks after the tornado hit, Kennedy locked horns with Khrushchev over Soviet missiles in Cuba. On the last day of that crisis, as the world avoided nuclear conflagration, I was in our living room, opening presents on my seventh birthday. Within a year, a quarter million people marched on Washington, D.C., where Martin Luther King Jr. Said he dreamed that one day our country would be a place where all men are created equal. Awareness of these historic events came to me in snippets, just names

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[03:35] View Ridge Upbringing

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View Ridge Upbringing

• Bill Gates recalls experiencing duck and cover drills at school and seeing films of Hiroshima, while life in View Ridge felt relatively untouched by world events.

• His family, having lived through the Great Depression and World War II, felt confident about the future during America’s post-war boom.

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**Bill Gates**

At school, teachers showed us hair-raising films with footage of Hiroshima and mushroom clouds. We practiced duck and cover. But to a young kid in View Ridge That wider world felt abstract A flattened car part was pretty much the most dramatic event in our lives The overwhelming feeling in families like ours Was confidence Our parents and all the parents around us Had been through the Great Depression and World War II. Anyone could see that America was booming. As with the rest of the country, Seattle was rapidly expanding into its suburbs. Fields and forests were bulldozed to make space for homes and shopping centers. That transformation had started in our city during the war as local company Boeing grew into a major warplane manufacturer.

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**Bill Gates**

This exemplifies the spirit of peace and cooperation with which we approach the decades ahead. Days later, my mom put me in a button-down shirt and blue blazer, and with my similarly overdressed family, we set off for Century 21. We saw the mercury capsule that had just carried the first American into space. At the spacearium, we toured the solar system and the Milky Way. We saw Ford's vision of the future in a six-wheeled, nuclear-powered car, the Seattleite 21, and IBM's idea of a cheap computer, the $100,000 IBM 1620. A short film we watched, titled The House of Science, depicted the advances of human thought from the earliest mathematicians to the men it would be a long while before the contributions Of women scientists got even a nod on the cutting edge of biology, physics, science, and computers.

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[09:27] World’s Fair

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World’s Fair

• Bill Gates recounts his experience at the World’s Fair.

• Unlike Paul Allen, who got hooked on computers, Gates was more impressed by daredevil water skiers and the Space Needle.

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**Bill Gates**

Here's how the Hollywood version of my story would go. Entranced by the IBM Pavilion, nearly age seven, I fell in love with computers and never looked back. That may well have been the case with other kids. Paul Allen, my partner in starting Microsoft, credited the fair with hooking him on computers the way some musicians grab the violin at that age and never let go.

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[10:30] Techno-Optimism

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Techno-Optimism

• The 1962 World’s Fair techno-optimistic vision significantly impacted Bill Gates.

• At an impressionable age, he internalized the message that technology equals progress and would bring peace.

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**Bill Gates**

Still, the fair's techno-optimistic vision must have affected me. At that impressionable age, the message in 1962 was so clear. We would explore space, stop disease, travel faster and easier. Technology was progress, and in the right hands, it would bring peace. My family watched Kennedy give his, we choose to go to the moon speech that fall. All of us gathered around the television as the president told America that we needed to harness the best of our energies and skills for a bold future. Days later, we watched the debut of the Jetsons, offering the cartoon version of that future with flying cars and robot dogs. From Walter Cronkite and life, we were treated to a steady flow of new wonders. The first laser, first cassette tape, first factory robot, and first silicon chip. You couldn't be a kid back then and not

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[12:00] Mary Gates’ Vision

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Mary Gates’ Vision

• Mary Gates set the family’s clocks ahead by eight minutes to be on ‘mom time’.

• She had a grand vision for her family, inspired by the Kennedys, wanting them to excel in all aspects.

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**Bill Gates**

I was equally raised by my parents, but it was my mother who set our clocks ahead by eight minutes, so we would be on mom time. From the start, she had a grand vision for our family. She wanted my father to be highly successful, with success defined less by money and more by reputation and his role helping our community and a wider circle of civic and non-profit Organizations. She envisioned kids who excelled in school and sports, were socially active, and pursued everything they did fully and completely. That her kids would all go to college was a given. Her role in this vision was that of supportive partner and mother, as well as a force in the community who would eventually build her own career. Though she never said it explicitly, I suspect her model for the Gates family was informed by one of the most famous families of the day, the Kennedys. Early 1960s, before all the tragedy and troubles that would befall the famous

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[12:00] Mom Time

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Mom Time

• Bill Gates recalls his mother setting their clocks ahead by eight minutes to be on “mom time”.

• His mother had a grand vision for their family’s success and community involvement.

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**Bill Gates**

I was equally raised by my parents, but it was my mother who set our clocks ahead by eight minutes, so we would be on mom time. From the start, she had a grand vision for our family. She wanted my father to be highly successful, with success defined less by money and more by reputation and his role helping our community and a wider circle of civic and non-profit Organizations. She envisioned kids who excelled in school and sports, were socially active, and pursued everything they did fully and completely. That her

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[31:14] Cheerio Dinner Scheme

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Cheerio Dinner Scheme

• At Cheerio, kids drew names to dine with other families, an initiative by Bill Gates’s mother.

• This scheme aimed to broaden their social skills, especially interacting with adults whom his mother viewed as role models.

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**Bill Gates**

Whatever name you got, Baugh, Berg, Capiloto, Merritt, or one of the others, you had to go to that family's cottage and eat dinner with the parents. Their kids, meanwhile, went to dinner with the parents of whatever name they drew. My mother came up with this scheme. When I look back on my childhood, it

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**Bill Gates**

Attorney. One owned a big garden store. Another had kicked the winning field goal in the Rose Bowl. Most, like my dad, had served in World War II. Many of the women were like my mom, juggling family and non-profit work at places like Planned Parenthood. For me, those dinners made it impossible to fade into the woodwork or disappear into a book. At six or seven years old, this was still hard. But over time, my mother's plan would pay off and I would come to feel nearly as comfortable with those Cheerio families as I did with my own. Japanese automakers are known for Kaizen, the philosophy of continuous improvement they followed after the Second World War to up the quality of their cars year after year.

Chapter Three: Rational

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[03:05] Childhood Travel Log

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Childhood Travel Log

• During a family road trip, the speaker and his sister kept a travel log, meticulously recording observations about landforms, weather, and population distribution.

• The detailed entries, reviewed by their mom, served as lessons in geography, geology, economics, history, and the art of paying attention.

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**Unknown Speaker**

While listening, my sister and I kept watch out the car window, mentally noting things to fill our travel log. Apple orchards, adobe buildings, trucks with huge Douglas fir logs, oil wells. Every night in the motel, Christy recorded what we had seen under the categories. She wrote carefully, knowing that my mom would look through it later to correct grammar and spelling with a red pen. In a smaller notebook, I jotted down my extra observations, writing them as neatly as my hand was able. Through our daily entries. My mother ensured we were giving ourselves lessons in geography, geology, economics, history, and even math, and in the thrill of noticing things, the art of paying attention. These journals are why I know that stalactites hang down and stalagmites point up. And for anyone who cares, that it takes 262 steps to reach the top of the Washington State Capitol Rotunda. When my father met us in Los Angeles, we regaled him with the story of the book we had just finished about the amazing horse bred and

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[07:36] Gammy’s Approach to Healthcare

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Gammy’s Approach to Healthcare

• The speaker recalls an incident where he had appendicitis, and his grandmother, despite her Christian Science beliefs, promptly took him to the hospital.

• This contrasted with her own avoidance of hospitals, creating confusion about her reliance on faith versus modern medicine.

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**Unknown Speaker**

A year or two later, I was climbing on the kitchen counter, trying to reach a glass in the cabinet, when a pain shot through my abdomen. I fell onto the floor where Gammy found me delirious. This time, no delay. It turned out I had appendicitis. She got me to the hospital where my appendix was removed before it burst. Beyond the feeling that bad things happened when my parents were away, something my sister and I would joke about for years, these incidents fed into questions I had at that time about The adult world. It was very confusing to me that my rational, educated grandmother never went to the hospital, didn't avail herself of modern medicines. She read the newspaper, flew on airplanes, and was one of the smartest people I knew. And yet, part of her lived in the realm of faith and what seemed like superstition. Religion, as practiced by our family, was more of a social intellectual exercise. Though both had left Christian science before I was born, my mother and father agreed that we would attend the University Congregational Church.

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[09:38] Memorizing the Sermon on the Mount

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Memorizing the Sermon on the Mount

• The speaker memorized the Sermon on the Mount to win a free dinner at the Space Needle, offered by Reverend Turner.

• Despite internalizing some of Jesus’s message, the speaker viewed it mainly as a test of intellect and memory.

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**Unknown Speaker**

One in a long list of activities that I had to get dressed up for, but I liked it. Turner had a standing offer. Any kid who could recite by memory the Sermon on the Mount got a free dinner at the top of the Space Needle. Mostly older kids in confirmation class took up the challenge, but Christy got her dinner early, around age 11. And so sometime after that, I sat with a Bible in the back of the car on a family trip to the Washington coast, memorizing, Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven, And the rest of Christ's moral lessons in the book of Matthew. When Reverend Turner announced that I had won my space needle dinner, I felt a surge of pride as other kids looked over at me, surprised. I'm sure I internalized some of Jesus's message, but mostly my small achievement was a brain test to see if I could do it. If the wise man did indeed build his house on the rock, as Jesus said, my rock by that age was intellect, a good memory, and my own power of reason. Reading in the back of the

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[16:43] How to Win Friends

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How to Win Friends

• The speaker’s mom gave all her kids a copy of Dale Carnegie’s ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’.

• She already had an innate ability to connect with people on an emotional level.

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**Unknown Speaker**

My mom kept a dog-eared copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People, Dale Carnegie's distillation of human relations, into a series of tricks and tips. She eventually gave a copy to each of her kids for Christmas. I'm not sure what she learned from Carnegie, because my mother seemed to have an innate ability to connect with people on an emotional level. I watched

Chapter Four: Lucky Kid

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[17:56] Little Delaware

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Little Delaware

• Bill Gates researched and wrote a 177-page report on Delaware, showcasing his intellectual curiosity and research skills.

• The project allowed him to synthesize information and experience pride in his work, hinting at his future interests.

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**Bill Gates**

I wrote up an obit of a board member who had worked his way from low-level salesman to executive committee member. By the time I was done, I had generated 177 pages on Little Delaware. It's hard to describe the pride I felt in that crazy long report. I even fabricated a cover for it out of wood. It was, in every way, a dream assignment. In the privacy of my room, away from the judging eyes of other kids, I could do what I liked the most. Read, collect facts, and synthesize information. The class jester wasn't expected to turn in a tome. I liked seeing other kids' confusion and admiration. My teacher loved it. Looking back at that report, I can see hints of the adult I would become, my intellectual interests starting to take root. With a little effort, I could, much to my amazement, assemble in my head models of how the world operated, whether it was how sound traveled or the inner workings of the Canadian government, Another report. Each bit of knowledge I accrued added to a sense of empowerment, the feeling that by applying my brain, I could solve even the world's most complex mysteries. That school year, I filled out a one-page form indicating my interests

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[19:25] Childhood Dreams

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Childhood Dreams

• Bill Gates recalls filling out a form listing interests and future aspirations.

• He skipped typical options like cowboy and instead wrote ‘astronaut’ and ‘scientist’.

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**Bill Gates**

That school year, I filled out a one-page form indicating my interests in favorite subjects. It was something my mom had us do every year. On the line that read, when I grow up, I want to be, I skipped over suggested answers like cowboy and fireman. The girls had a separate list, the options even more limited in sexist, airline hostess, model, or secretary. Instead, I chose astronaut and penciled in what I really saw myself as, scientist. I wanted to be one of those people who spend their days trying to understand things that other people do not. My mother's ambitions for me were more varied, and she doggedly continued her attempts to round me out by signing me up for all the usual activities.

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[22:08] Paper Route Failure

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Paper Route Failure

• Bill Gates had a short-lived and unsuccessful paper route, delivering circulars that nobody wanted.

• His grandmother had to rescue him by driving him along the route while he tossed the papers.

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**Bill Gates**

At one point, it was decided that I should take on the responsibility of my own paper route. I made a little bit of money, but it was a thankless task, delivering a free circular nobody subscribed to and few people wanted. My main memory of that venture is the struggle it took to navigate my bike loaded with all those papers. More than once, I had to be rescued by Gammy, who drove me along my route while I tossed papers onto porches. The truth was, I felt most at home in my own head. And yet, despite my aspirations, my grades were still bad and my battles at home got worse.

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[22:55] Silent Treatment

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Silent Treatment

• Bill Gates describes his teenage behavior as giving his parents the silent treatment for days.

• He ignored requests to come to dinner or pick up clothes and snapped at his mother when she tried to engage him.

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**Bill Gates**

During this period, I could go days without speaking, emerging from my room only for meals in school. Call me to dinner. I ignored you. Tell me to pick up my clothes. Nope. Clear the table. Nothing. Get in the car to go out for dinner. Silence. Years later, my parents told journalists that once when my mother tried to draw me out, I snapped, I'm thinking. Don't you ever think? You should try it sometime. Much as it pains me to say, it's a true story.

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[39:19] Gates’ Childhood Parties

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Gates’ Childhood Parties

• Bill Gates’ mother was a masterful social engineer who orchestrated parties with specific agendas.

• Before the party, she would brief her children on the guests, expecting them to engage in conversations.

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**Bill Gates**

She was a masterful social engineer. Before the party began, my mother would sit my sisters and me down on the sofa for a briefing. As Libby and I wrestled and horsed around, my mother would conduct a detailed run through of the guest list, person by person. Armed with this information, we were expected to engage our guests. Christy might have to play a piano tune. Later years, my mom would bring in Libby's choir group to sing. I usually got off the hook with shuttling drinks to people, weaving my way through discussions on how to clean up Lake Washington, find more big-name donors for the United Way, or help Support Joel Pritchard's state senate bid. I liked the feeling of asking a guest a smart question and being able to hold my own in the conversation. One regular visitor to our house was a client of my dad's, a cardiologist named Carl Edmark. In addition to having performed one of the first open heart surgeries in Seattle, Dr. Edmark had invented an innovative defibrillator, the machine that restarts a heart with a jolt of electricity. Early defibrillators used alternating current. Think of the electricity from a wall socket that would not only shock the heart, but send the patient into violent spasms.

Chapter Five: Lakeside

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[04:18] Searching for Identity

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Searching for Identity

• Bill Gates reflects on his time at Lakeside, acknowledging that he was a loner, a nerd, and obnoxious.

• He realizes he was searching for an identity, and all the progress he thought he had made at his old school was meaningless here.

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**Bill Gates**

I was probably all of those things. With the distance of years and perspective of age, I see how hard I was searching for an identity. All the progress I thought I had made at my old school was meaningless here. I was a non-athlete in a school known for sports. In a place where people were focused, I was an avid generalist. I didn't fit in, and I didn't know how to fix that. So I pretended that I didn't want to. My act fell flat almost immediately.

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[15:22] Kent’s Vision

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Kent’s Vision

• Kent Evans was always thinking about the future and strategizing about how to get where he wanted to be.

• Bill Gates remembers that Kent seemed certain he was destined for great things.

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**Bill Gates**

I still remember his phone number. Like most kids, I spent almost zero time thinking about my future, aside from a vague notion that I wanted to be a scientist or maybe a lawyer like my dad. But at that age, it's hard to envision how getting the right answers on tests translates into a life beyond school, let alone the distant horizon of a career. Kent was way ahead of us. He was always talking about where he wanted to be in 10 years, in 20 years, and strategizing how to get there. He seemed certain he was destined for great things and just had to figure out the best of the many paths to achieve them. Together, we read through a stack

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[15:52] Kent’s Influence

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Kent’s Influence

• Kent Evans was always planning his future and strategizing how to achieve his goals.

• Bill Gates describes how Kent’s ambition helped spark his own and channel his competitive drive.

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**Bill Gates**

Kent was way ahead of us. He was always talking about where he wanted to be in 10 years, in 20 years, and strategizing how to get there. He seemed certain he was destined for great things and just had to figure out the best of the many paths to achieve them. Together, we read through a stack of biographies of famous people, leaders like Franklin D. Roosevelt and Douglas MacArthur. We spent hours on the phone dissecting their lives. We analyzed the paths they followed to success with the same teenage intensity that other kids at that time spent deciphering Lucy in the Sky with diamonds. What about going to West Point and becoming an army general? We learned how MacArthur was programmed from an early age to pursue a military career. We compared that path with General Patton, who sort of fell into his life as a brilliant soldier and leader. For historical perspective, we read books on Napoleon, marveling at his genius and his terrible flaws. The only way to really distinguish yourself was to be a war hero, we decided. But neither of us wanted to go to war. Cross general off the list. How about the U.S. Foreign Service? We found that only political appointees seemed to get the best jobs. And based on a report Kent had ordered from some government office, the pay for embassy staff was low. Off the list. What about becoming a professor? They had clout and the freedom to research cool things, but Kent worried again that the pay might be low. Or a politician, maybe a lawyer like my dad. I was the kind of kid who wanted to win every game I played. Yet, I had no particular aim beyond victory. I was raw intelligence and information omnivore. But I wasn't thinking about the long-term direction of my life. Kent's ambition would help spark mine and channel my prodigious competitive

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[25:37] First Program

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First Program

• Bill Gates’ first program was adding two numbers. After seeing it, he wrote a tic-tac-toe game, which taught him the need for precision in code.

• Getting the tic-tac-toe game to work correctly gave him a great sense of accomplishment, even though the game itself was simple.

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**Bill Gates**

Ready? 10. Input X, Y. 20. Let A equal X plus Y. 30. Print A 40. End. That was probably the first computer program I ever typed in. The elegance of the four lines of code appealed to my sense of order. Its instantaneous answer was like a jolt of electricity. From there, I wrote the first computer program of my own, a game of tic-tac Getting it to work forced me to think through, for the first time, the most basic elements of the game's rules. Immediately, I learned that the computer was a dumb machine that I had to tell every single step it should take under every single circumstance that could occur. When I wrote imprecise code, the computer couldn't infer or guess what I meant. I made a lot of errors trying to figure that out. When I finally got it right, the sense of accomplishment far outstripped the result. A game of tic-tac is so simple, even kids learn it quickly. But it felt like a triumph to get a machine to do it. I loved how the computer forced me to think. It was completely unforgiving in the face of mental sloppiness. It demanded that I be logically consistent and pay attention to details.

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[28:48] Early Programming Challenges

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Early Programming Challenges

• Mr. Stockland crashed the system with an infinite loop, burning through the school’s budget, which taught everyone to be more careful.

• Gates would write programs on paper first to avoid charges, then type them in and run them, dealing with the slow input and competition for computer time.

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**Bill Gates**

I'm not sure he showed his face again in that room. It was a lesson to all of us. To avoid racking up charges, I'd write out as much of my program as I could with pen and paper before elbowing into my place at the machine. With the machine offline, avoid time charges, I'd type it in, and the program would print on a roll of inch-wide paper tape. That was step one. Then, I'd dial the phone, the rotary dial on the side of the terminal, and wait for the buzz of the modem to confirm that I'd connected. I'd then feed my tape in, and chug, chug, chug, the program would input at a blistering 10 characters per second. Finally, I'd type run. Typically, there was a gaggle of other kids waiting for the computer, so if my program didn't work, I'd have to log off and find a spot to sort through where I went wrong, then wait my turn To get back on the teletype. This feedback loop was addictive. The feeling of getting better and better was a rush. Writing programs flowed from a combination of skills that came easy to me, logical thinking, and an ability to focus intensely for long periods. Programming also stoked the persistent need I had to prove myself. The atmosphere of that computer room was a mostly healthy mix of cooperation and competition. We were a mosh pit of teenage boys, all trying to outdo one another.

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[41:03] Free Computer Access

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Free Computer Access

• Mrs. Rona offered Lakeside free access to Computer Center Corp.’s (CCC) new computer if Lakeside’s young programmers helped CCC.

• CCC needed help testing and debugging their operating system, so Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) struck a deal with CCC.

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**Bill Gates**

The minutes added up. Aware of this, Mrs. Rona wrote a letter to Lakeside with a surprising proposal. If some of the school's young programmers helped her venture, the company would, and this is the crazy part, give us free access to their new deck computer. On a Saturday in November 1968, my dad dropped me off at C-Cubed's new headquarters, where I met Mr. Wright, Paul, Kent, Rick, and a few lakeside upperclassmen. The office was near the University of Washington in an old Buick dealership with an earshot of Interstate 5. Across the street, a self-proclaimed anarchist would soon open Morningtown Cafe, a hippie hangout where over the next 12 months, I'd eat hundreds of their pepperoni pizza slices. From the outside, C-Cubed looked every bit the car dealership it once was, with one difference. Through huge windows that must have once displayed Electras and Skylarks, there was a long row of teletype terminals, identical to the one we had at Lakeside. Inside, a C-Cubed engineer showed us around. He explained that the company planned to open for business at the end of the year. That gave them two months to make sure their new computer was ready for the rigors of managing perhaps hundreds of different users at the same time. Some context. Today, any business buying a computer system can expect it to run software that's been thoroughly tested for reliability, security, and stability. Not so in 1968. Companies like DEC and its competitors, including IBM and GE, made their money on hardware. The chips, tape storage drives, and processing units that comprised the actual computer. All the stuff in the refrigerator-sized box and devices connected to it. By comparison, software was an afterthought, so low in value it was thrown in for free. Even after a customer leased or bought a computer, its operating system,

Chapter Six: Free Time

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[12:36] Recipe Program

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Recipe Program

• Bill Gates took his mom’s recipe cards to C-Cubed and designed a simple program in BASIC.

• When given ‘meatloaf’, it would produce his mom’s meatloaf recipe.

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**Bill Gates**

At home, my mom cooked from recipe cards. She kept neatly categorized in a small wooden box.

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[24:18] Life-Saving Trail

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Life-Saving Trail

• Despite his failure on a previous hike, Mike Collier invited Bill Gates to join him and other scouts on a family hiking trip.

• They planned to hike the 50-mile life-saving trail on Vancouver Island, retracing the route of a local naturalist and her husband.

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**Bill Gates**

Despite my failure on the 50-miler, or maybe because of it, I don't know, Mike and his parents invited me to join them on their next trip, which would take place in June after school ended. The other scouts who would be joining us, Rocky, Riley, and Danny, were 13, like me, and gung-ho about hiking. I was happy to be included and excited by the chance to test myself. Plus, the timing was perfect as C-Cubed had just declared their computers off-limits, and I had nothing but free time. Mike told us that he had seen a television show about the life-saving trail, which ran along the Pacific coast of Vancouver Island, an isolated area known for storms, reefs, and tricky Currents, and as the graveyard of thousands of ships. Sometime in the early 1900s, the Canadian government cut a trail so that shipwrecked sailors who washed up could walk their way to civilization. Over the years, the trail had fallen into disrepair. On the show, a local naturalist and her husband hiked the 50-mile life-saving trail, and Mike wanted to retrace their route.

Chapter Seven: Just Kids?

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[01:24] Double Textbooks

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Double Textbooks

• Buy double textbooks, one for school and one for home, to avoid carrying books and appear not to study.

• Study secretly at home to master the material while maintaining a ‘smart aleck’ facade at school.

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**Unknown Speaker**

This was less about the inconvenience of carrying books back and forth than it was about appearing as if I didn't need to study at home. I'd turned myself into one of the scholarly elite, but I wasn't ready to let go of my smart aleck devil may care facade. While everyone else groaned under the weight of their heavy textbooks, I went home each day conspicuously empty-handed. At night, holed up in my bedroom with my duplicate textbooks, I solved and resolved every quadratic equation. I memorized Latin declensions and reviewed names, dates, history of all those Greek wars and battles and gods and goddesses. The next day, I'd arrive at school fortified with all that I had learned, but no indication that I had studied. I doubt anyone noticed or cared, but in my mind, they were marveling. No books? How does he do it? He must be really smart. Such were my lingering insecurities. I'd always possessed the ability to hyper-focus. Now, I was becoming aware of how I could harness that ability to my advantage at school. If I truly concentrated on a subject, taking in the facts and theorems, dates and names and ideas and whatever else,

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[06:31] Science as a Way of Thinking

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Science as a Way of Thinking

• Science shouldn’t be viewed as a collection of facts to memorize but as a way of thinking about the world.

• Scientific progress involves researchers challenging accepted facts and developing better ideas.

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He blew up the notion of science as a collection of proven facts to be rotely memorized. Science was a way of thinking about the world. An ongoing story of challenging,-held facts and theories. Throughout history, researchers had become famous for discovering that facts accepted for generations or centuries were wrong and for coming up with better ideas. The example Mr. Mastretti gave that made the biggest impression was how at the turn of the 20th century, many physicists believed that most of the big questions in their field had been answered. Thanks to Newton, Maxwell, and many other pioneers, they could calculate how the forces of gravity, electricity, and magnetism work.

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[09:11] Dr. Morris’s Teachings

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Dr. Morris’s Teachings

• Dr. Morris explained the stickiness of super glue by detailing the molecular linking process inhibited by trace ingredients and how water neutralizes them.

• He emphasized layering knowledge for scientific understanding, using everyday examples like why soda stays fizzy to illustrate scientific principles.

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**Unknown Speaker**

I remember being fascinated by ads claiming that super strong glue could make anything stick together. Why is it so incredibly sticky? I asked Dr. Morris. He encouraged curiosity-driven questions like this and used them as teachable moments. The glue, he explained, is made from small molecules that want to link up with each other, but are prevented by trace ingredients that keep the glue liquid. When squeezed between two surfaces, including your fingers if you aren't careful, traces of water neutralize the inhibitors, freeing the glue to solidify almost instantly. Like Mr. Mastretti, Dr. Morris emphasized the layering of knowledge that allows scientific understanding to expand and deepen over time. His favorite historical figure was a 19th century French chemist named Henri-Louis Le Chatelier, who devised a principle about changes in the equilibrium of a system. Dr. Morris found examples from everyday life to illustrate this, such as, why soda stays fizzy if you empty half the bottle but screw the cap back on? I never forgot the answer. Fizzy gas does bubble out of the liquid into the emptied space, but eventually enough pressure builds up again

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[12:15] Appealing Nature of Science

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Appealing Nature of Science

• Science appealed to the speaker because it fit his need for order and offered a framework similar to math.

• Science requires a wildly curious mind that can tame itself with discipline and skepticism.

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**Unknown Speaker**

Science grabbed me in part because it fit my need for order and organization and offered the kind of reassuring, satisfying framework I'd already found in math. It also appealed to my hyper-rational sense of the world. At its core, science requires a wildly curious mind that can tame itself with discipline and skepticism. I liked how scientists think, constantly

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[24:12] Kent’s Drive

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Kent’s Drive

• Kent all but captained the boat, showcasing a drive to master skills, similar to his later interest in mountain climbing.

• That summer, their conversations revolved around computers and making money, influenced by Kent’s family legacy.

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**Unknown Speaker**

On our trip, Kent all but captained the boat as we sailed north. He checked tides and the depth sounder so we wouldn't want to ground entering Malibu Rapids, the narrow opening to the Princess Louisa Inlet. He monitored the apparent wind indicator so he could make adjustments to the sails and boat position. He knew how to do dead reckoning, determining the position of the boat based on charts and what different flags meant and when and where they should be flown. In my nine days on the boat, I witnessed the same drive to master a skill that in the coming year would spark Kent's interest in learning to climb mountains. Most of our conversation that summer revolved around computers. We learned a lot in the year and a half or so since we wrote our first programs. But what could we do with what we knew? Make money? Kent was convinced we could. The career paths we talked about now focused on business. Kent's great-grandfather had made a small fortune selling fruit trees and other plants at a nursery he founded. That was the origin of the inheritance. Kent was proud of that legacy and felt that he was destined to find his own path to riches. I shared what

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[34:04] Lakeside Programming Group

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Lakeside Programming Group

• After being caught hacking free usage from ISI, Kent created the Lakeside Programming Group to offer their services to ISI.

• ISI, knowing who they were, gave them a job to entice Portland businesses to computerize.

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**Unknown Speaker**

There was no way we should pay ISI's high prices. He had a plan. ISI soon received a letter from the very official-sounding Lakeside Programming Group, offering its services. We used my mother's cursive typewriter ball to make the letter look even slicker. We were convinced there was no way they'd see through the subterfuge. But I'm pretty sure what happened next was thanks to the friendly sales guy at ISI, who knew exactly who the Lakeside programmers were and liked our work. They gave us a job. ISI was focused on trying to entice Portland area businesses to computerize their operations, just as C-Cube did try to do in Seattle. One ISI client, a maker of pipe organs, wanted to automate its payroll system. ISI asked us to write the program for no pay on the grounds that it would be a good educational experience. ISI drew up a contract stipulating the scope of the project, encouraging us to, quote, exercise full creativity in program design and set a March 1971 deadline. Our contract was dated November 18th, 1970. That gave us just about four months, which we quickly realized would barely enough time. Our first hurdle was the fact that ISI wanted us to write the program in COBOL, a computer language none of us knew except RIC. We also lacked the necessary tools. Just as you need hammers and levels to build a house, you need an editor and

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[38:21] Taking Charge

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Taking Charge

• The speaker became frustrated with Paul and Rick’s lack of focus on the payroll project and told them he needed to be in charge.

• He then created a plan to allocate free computer time based on his judgment of their contributions.

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**Unknown Speaker**

Didn't he know a contract was binding? I was annoyed by what I considered their laziness and unprofessionalism. Here was this opportunity to build real software, and Paul and Rick were letting it slip by. Toward the end of the month, I got everyone together and informed them that if Paul really wanted me on the project, I would need to be in charge. And if I was in charge, I would decide who got what portion of the free computer time. I devised an allocation plan based on my judgment of who was doing the most work, dividing our compensation into 11ths.

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[39:12] UW Computer Science Lab

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UW Computer Science Lab

• They found a castle at the UW Computer Science Lab where kids their age weren’t allowed.

• Paul borrowed an acoustic coupler from a professor who didn’t like them using the lab.

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**Unknown Speaker**

In the meantime, Kent had approached the head of the University of Washington Computer Science Lab, explained our project, and asked if we could use the lab. It was a perfect example of Kent acting like an adult and getting treated like one. The lab had multiple terminals, which meant we could all work simultaneously, and was a short walk from the UW library and the all-important UW food court, pizza places, and an Orange Julius. As with C-Cubed, we had found a castle where kids our age usually weren't allowed to trespass. But like C-Cubed, it wouldn't last. The next month and a half, we worked in the lab nights after school and on weekends, banging out our program, which we'd dubbed payroll. The UW lab was even closer to my house than C-Cubed. By now, it was routine for me to feign going to bed, then disappear through my window for a night of programming. I'm sure my parents knew, but by that point, we had an unspoken pact. I kept my grades up and stayed out of trouble, and they didn't micromanage me. Not everyone was thrilled to have high school kids camping out in the lab, tying up the terminals for hours on end and stuffing the garbage cans with orange Julius cups. But the administrators of the lab mostly tolerated us. That is until the night before our deadline, when we were frantically trying to wrap things up. Paul got his hands on a keyboard would allow him to work faster, but he needed an expensive device called an acoustic coupler to connect a terminal to a computer over a telephone line. He decided to borrow one from another office. At about 9.30 that

Chapter Eight: The Real World

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[09:38] Merging Schools

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Merging Schools

• The speaker recalls having difficulties talking to the new St. Nick’s students, especially girls.

• To manage his insecurities, he thought of himself as an anti-hero, like Steve McQueen in the Thomas Crown Affair.

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**Unknown Speaker**

The only issue I had with the addition of the St. Nick's students was that I had no idea how to talk to them. I had trouble even communicating with non-geeky boys my age. Girls? Apart from my sisters and some family friends, they were a foreign country. And what would they make of me? I was still skinny with that squeaky voice, more a kid than a teen. I had started driving but didn't have a car. One way I managed my insecurities was to think of myself as an anti-hero, a wannabe Steve McQueen in the Thomas Crown Affair, minus the good looks. I had recently seen the movie and loved the actor's cool confidence. He was an irresistible mastermind. About

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[24:37] Kent’s Climbing Accident

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Kent’s Climbing Accident

• Kent told Bill he was going to Mount Shuxin for a final climb, despite a previous accident in the class.

• Bill received a call that Kent had fallen during the climb and didn’t survive.

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**Unknown Speaker**

That night, Kent called me as usual. No time to work that weekend, he told me. He was headed to Mount Shuxin, a 9,000 glaciated peak a few hours north of Seattle, for the final climb of his class. His parents had been debating whether he should go. The weekend before, the group was climbing at a spot called the Tooth when a rock gave way, sending two of his classmates careening down an icy slope onto rocks. Kent had watched as helicopters airlifted them back to Seattle. Ultimately, his parents decided he'd be okay. Kent had always been able to handle himself. I'll call you when I get back, he said. I'm not sure what I did that weekend. I was probably in the computer room at Lakeside, working away on the class schedule. On Monday, May 29th, I was in my room when I heard the phone ring and the mumble of my parents' voices through the ceiling. My father called down from the top of the stairs to say that Dan Eiralt was on the phone and wanted to talk to me. I took the stairs two by two, thinking it was weird that the headmaster was calling me at home. My father directed me into my parents' bedroom, where my mom gave me the handset. Dan didn't waste any time. There had been an accident on the climbing trip. Kent had fallen. A helicopter search and rescue team had picked him up and transported him to a hospital. I waited for him to tell me when I could go visit him. Unfortunately, Bill, he didn't make it. Kent died last

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[30:03] Kent’s Parents’ Grief

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Kent’s Parents’ Grief

• The speaker realized his grief could not compare to that of Kent’s parents, especially his mother, who lost her child.

• At the reception after the memorial, the stricken expressions on their faces were a lasting image of their profound loss.

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He was my best friend, but he was her baby. At some level, I knew she and Mr. Evans would be forever marooned in this loss. The stricken expressions on the faces of Kent's kind, gentle parents that day have never left me. Kent's friends should feel free to take home anything of his that might have meaning, his dad told us. Entering his small room with its familiar stacks of computer papers and books piled on the floor, the huge desk made from a door bridging two file cabinets. His print of breezing up on the corkboard made me so sad. It felt too painful to take even the most inconsequential of his belongings. I thanked Mr. Evans and said I didn't need anything. Over time, I learned the details of what happened on the mountain the day Kent died. The climbing class and its two instructors had made it to the peak of Shuxin late in the afternoon. As they descended, they stopped at the top of a chute above base camp, and an instructor and one student climbed down to make sure the area was safe for the rest to follow. There was a tense moment when one of the students at the top shifted his weight, setting off a small avalanche that sent the student careening down the chute, but he steadied himself And signaled to the group that he was okay.

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[30:55] Remembering Kent’s Death

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Remembering Kent’s Death

• After Kent’s death, the speaker visited Kent’s room and found it too painful to take any of his belongings.

• The speaker later learned that Kent was determined to finish the climb, even though he struggled and others had dropped out.

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**Unknown Speaker**

I thanked Mr. Evans and said I didn't need anything. Over time, I learned the details of what happened on the mountain the day Kent died. The climbing class and its two instructors had made it to the peak of Shuxin late in the afternoon. As they descended, they stopped at the top of a chute above base camp, and an instructor and one student climbed down to make sure the area was safe for the rest to follow. There was a tense moment when one of the students at the top shifted his weight, setting off a small avalanche that sent the student careening down the chute, but he steadied himself And signaled to the group that he was okay. The relief of that moment was short-lived. Kent stumbled forward and for a split second turned to face uphill. The students had been taught that if they started to fall, they should drop face down uphill in the snow and use their ice axes to stop from sliding before tumbling backwards down the Chute into the rocks at the bottom. He was still alive the others reached him. The group built an igloo over him to keep him warm while two members hiked out to get help. Among the students were two doctors who tended to Kent as best they could. That night, an army helicopter lifted him to a hospital in Bellingham. He was gone by the time they got there. I learned that he was probably the most gung-ho among the student climbers, but also struggled the most. He was the last one up on nearly every climb. I also learned that, as the month-long course progressed, more and more people had dropped out, finding it too tough or too dangerous. McKenna was determined to go on the final climb. It was his nature to always push the limits of what was expected.

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[34:52] Kent’s Influence

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Kent’s Influence

• Kent gave the speaker direction when he was a 13-year-old kid with raw IQ.

• Kent set him on the course of defining who he wanted to become.

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**Unknown Speaker**

When we met, I was a 13-year kid with raw IQ and a competitive streak, but little aim other than to win whatever game I was playing. Kent helped give me direction, setting me on the course of defining who I wanted to become. I didn't have an answer to that yet, but it would drive many of the decisions that followed. I recently read through the big gold-stamped logbook from the Evans' boat, the Shenandoah. Stopping on the notes, his mom wrote during our trip in the summer of 1970. Her entries in the spring of 1972 recorded every time Kent chose to climb rather than sail with the family. About a third of the way through the logbook, she left two pages blank, save for the very middle of one, where she wrote, Kent Hood Evans, born March 18, 1955, died May 28, 1972. Kent was killed in a mountain climbing accident on Mount Shuxin. Throughout my life, I have tended to deal with loss by avoiding it, tamping it down to make it through the early stages of grief, and then quickly setting my focus on a distraction that Fully engages my mind. As a family, we didn't dwell on the past. We always looked forward with the expectation that something better lay ahead. And in 1972, there was much less focus on actively processing grief than there would be in the decades that followed.

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[42:54] Paul’s Experience

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Paul’s Experience

• Paul used Hendrix’s ‘Are You Experienced’ as a litmus test for self-awareness and drug experimentation.

• He later introduced the speaker to scotch and offered him a joint and LSD.

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**Unknown Speaker**

By then, he had turned Are You Experienced into a mantra and a test. The question posed by the title track of Hendrix's debut album was Paul's shorthand for whether a person had attained self-awareness and whether you had experimented with drugs. Aimed at me, the song's chorus was another good from Paul. Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have. It started with scotch, really cheap scotch that Paul brought to the computer room. He got me drunk for the first time. So drunk I threw up and passed out that night in the Lakeside Teacher's Lounge. That episode was followed days later by a demonstration of how to smoke a joint. And then, of course, Paul argued, I couldn't be truly experienced without trying LSD. I declined. I felt tremendous

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[46:41] Intel’s 4004 Microprocessor

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Intel’s 4004 Microprocessor

• Paul introduced the speaker to Intel’s 4004 microprocessor, a breakthrough that put the main computer functions on a silicon chip.

• This invention replaced bulky, fragile vacuum tubes with tiny electronic circuits.

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**Unknown Speaker**

I had first heard about the company from Paul in the fall of the previous year. He'd shown me an advertisement in Electronic News in which Intel announced that it had invented a microprogrammable computer on a chip. In short, it fit the main functions of a computer onto a single piece of silicon. They called it the 4004 microprocessor. It was a breakthrough. Computers do what they do thanks to electrical impulses that follow a logical set of instructions. When I was born in 1955, that job was performed by vacuum tubes. They look like little light bulbs inside large computers. The fragile glass tubes took up a lot of space, used a lot of power, and generated a lot of heat. Around that same time, engineers invented the silicon transistor, which performed the same function as the tubes, but did so via tiny electronic circuits etched onto microchips The size of a thumbnail. Intel took it a leap further by using those circuits to cram most of the brains of a computer onto a single silicon chip. The

Chapter Nine: One Act and Five Nines

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[21:32] John Norton’s Mariner 1 Error

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John Norton’s Mariner 1 Error

• John Norton, a programmer, had a reputation for high-quality code but also a catastrophic failure: a missing dash in the Mariner 1 space probe’s code, which led to its destruction.

• Haunted by the error, John carried a newspaper story of the fiasco in his wallet and corrected the speaker’s code, providing invaluable lessons.

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**Unknown Speaker**

In his late 20s, John oversaw the software that controlled a key part of the 1962 Mariner 1 space probe. The Venus-bound probe made history when NASA destroyed it minutes into its flight after controllers realized its radar systems weren't working. The source of the problem was a tiny glitch. Likely, one missing dash in computer code John Norton oversaw. Legend has it that Norton was so haunted by the error that for years he carried a newspaper story of the Mariner fiasco in his wallet, neatly folded like a piece of origami. I had never met anyone as vigilant and sharp about computer coding. He consistently returned my work with corrections that raised it to levels I didn't know existed. He was quiet, confident, and always focused on the job in front of him. It was never about his achievements, but about how he could channel his knowledge to make the work better and the project successful. The axiom that you learn more from your failures than your successes is trite, but absolutely true. Up to that point, I had spent more time thinking about code and syntax than probably any other teenager alive. But Norton opened a

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[21:32] John Norton’s Mariner 1 Failure

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John Norton’s Mariner 1 Failure

• John Norton, a programmer, oversaw the software for the 1962 Mariner 1 space probe which was destroyed mid-flight due to a coding glitch.

• He was reportedly haunted by the error and carried a newspaper clipping about the incident for years.

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**Unknown Speaker**

In his late 20s, John oversaw the software that controlled a key part of the 1962 Mariner 1 space probe. The Venus-bound probe made history when NASA destroyed it minutes into its flight after controllers realized its radar systems weren't working. The source of the problem was a tiny glitch. Likely, one missing dash in computer code John Norton oversaw. Legend has it that Norton was so haunted by the error that for years he carried a newspaper story of the Mariner fiasco in his wallet, neatly folded like a piece of origami.

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[27:09] Acid Trip and Orthodontist

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Acid Trip and Orthodontist

• Bill Gates recounts taking acid during his senior sneak.

• He didn’t realize he’d still be feeling the effects at his orthodontist appointment the next morning.

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**Unknown Speaker**

I had smoked some pot earlier, so I was feeling a bit uninhibited when a friend offered me acid. I had always resisted Paul's assertion that I needed to be experienced by taking LSD. This time, I decided to see what it was all about. Part of the trip was exhilarating, but I took the drug,

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[29:40] Becoming the Best

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Becoming the Best

• The speaker reflected on what it takes to become the very best at something.

• He wondered about latent talent versus dedicated effort, relentlessly focusing on performing better each day.

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**Unknown Speaker**

That summer, I thought a lot about how a person becomes the very best at something. Norton was such a commanding figure, peerless in his talent and professionalism. I tried to understand what he had that other programmers didn't. What does it take to be 20% better than everyone else? How much is that just latent talent versus dedicated effort, being relentlessly focused and deliberate about performing better today than you did the day before, and then repeating That tomorrow, and the next day, and the next for years and years? I was well along that path in programming, so much so that the TRW guys tried to convince me that I should skip college. Don't bother with an undergraduate degree, they said. They prodded me to leapfrog to graduate school, study computer programming, and then get a job at Digital Equipment Corp. You belong there, one of the programmers said. You belong back there, working with those guys, deciding what the next version of the operating system will be.

Chapter Ten: Precocious

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[10:30] Math 55

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Math 55

• The narrator saw Math 55A and 55B, a two-course sequence in advanced calculus, at the bottom of the course list.

• Despite the prominent warning that it wasn’t for casual students, the narrator signed up because it seemed like a door to the pure math world.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

Near the bottom of the course list, just before the independent study options, I found the highest number offered to freshmen. Math 55A and 55B, a two-course sequence in advanced calculus. I liked the prominent warning in the description. Students whose interest in mathematics is casual should not elect them, nor should they be chosen on the basis of a vague desire for theoretical mathematics. Students had to pass a qualifying exam just to get into the class. I could tell that warning was meant to divide prospective math majors into the two wings of mathematics. One, pure math, was the prestigious one, the highest form of intellectual work, where the only equipment you need is your brain, pencil and paper, chalk, and a blackboard. Pure mathematicians are the beautiful minds on the cutting edge. They describe their achievements as discoveries. Anything in the applied wing of mathematics was seen as the suburbs of academia, where people merely used the tools that the pioneers had invented decades or even centuries earlier To perform work that was useful, sure, but not pure. At Lakeside, I had finished the most challenging math classes that the school offered. I had scored a perfect 800 on the math half of the SAT and received the top score on the calculus Advanced Placement exam. Math 55 looked like a door to the pure math world.

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[12:15] Math 55A

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Math 55A

• The narrator signed up for Math 55A, a gateway to pure math at Harvard, after acing math tests in high school.

• The class covered topics in two semesters that would take others six semesters, and was taught by John Mather.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

Unlock it. I signed up, took the entrance test later that week, and passed it. At 11 a.m. On the first Monday of classes, I walked into the Math 55A classroom in Seaver Hall to find about 80 other students, more than I had expected. Nearly all of them were male. Standing at the blackboard was a young professor with frizzy red hair and an equally red beard, so bushy it smudged the words he was chalking onto the blackboard. Finite dimensional vector spaces, the title of chapter one in the Xeroxed class notes he would hand out every week. The chalk squeaked out a list of some of the topics we've covered in upcoming classes. Axioms, fields, tuples, complex and imaginary numbers, vector spaces, isomorphisms, and a handful of others, all the way through differential equations. I had only a vague acquaintance with some of these. What the heck was a bonnock space? But I recognized enough of them to know that math majors who did not take Math 55 would spend six semesters or more studying what we would cover in two. This was going to be intense. On one side of the blackboard, the redheaded teacher had written his name, John Mather. My classmates were soon buzzing about Mather. He had made full professor in record time at

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[13:48] John Mather’s Early Brilliance

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John Mather’s Early Brilliance

• John Mather became a full professor at 28 and had been learning logarithms at age six.

• By the second Monday of Math 55, about half of the students remained, and they realized they’d have to team up to survive.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

My classmates were soon buzzing about Mather. He had made full professor in record time at age 28. At six years old, when his peers were learning to read, Mather was already learning logarithms. He would sit at his family's dining room table, legs dangling from the chair, talking math with his father, a professor of electrical engineering at Princeton. By age 11, Mather was absorbing calculus from his father's engineering textbooks. While in high school, he spent almost all his free time buried in books on topology, abstract algebra, and yes, finite dimensional vector spaces. He was the first high school student allowed to take math classes at Princeton University. As an undergraduate at Harvard, he placed in the top 10 in the nation in the Putnam competition and annual math Olympics for college students. A year later, he did it again. He was only 24 when he finished his PhD at Princeton with a dissertation that laid out a major discovery, now known as the Malgrange-Mather preparation theorem, and had published a Flurry of papers tracking a vexing problem in singularity theory so thoroughly that a colleague would later write that he completely answered the question and in some sense killed The subject because there was nothing more to say. Mather's career would bring further breakthroughs and countless awards. But based on what I knew of him even then, as our 31-year professor, it was clear that preternatural talent and an early start were indispensable to becoming a world-class mathematician. By the second Monday of Math 55, about half of us remained. And by the end of the first month, we were down to 25. To survive, we realized, we'd have to team up.

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[21:09] Aiken Lab’s VR History

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Aiken Lab’s VR History

• Eric Roberts showed the narrator the history of the Aiken lab’s PDP-1.

• Ivan Sutherland connected his head-mounted VR device to it, a precursor to modern VR headsets.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

On one of my first visits to the lab, Eric Roberts, a graduate student in applied math, had walked me through its recent history. See those loose wires hanging from the back of the computer rack? That's where Ivan Sutherland connected his head-mounted virtual reality device, the great-grandfather of the more refined VR headsets that would arrive decades later. By then, Sutherland was already famous for creating Sketchpad, software that was a precursor to the graphical user interface that would become standard on all computers. 15 years later, Sutherland would win a Turing Award, the computer science equivalent of a Nobel Prize, for Sketchpad and be recognized as one of the father's computer graphics. Eric pointed to a joystick on the desk in front of the PDP-1. That device, along with several switches and buttons, he said, were the controllers

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[22:20] Flight Simulator

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Flight Simulator

• Danny Cohen, then a Harvard professor, used three networked computers to enhance a flight simulator.

• The PDP-1 handled graphics, while other computers handled heavy processing over ARPANET.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

He explained that a few years later, Cohen, by then a Harvard professor, worked with two graduate students to soup up the flight simulator. Their idea was radical at the time. Harness the powers of three different computers connected over ARPANET. The PDP-1 did a great job displaying graphics and had all those nifty displays and the joystick. But it was slow and not capable of producing a realistic flying experience. Eric told me that a graduate student named Ed Taft devised software for the old computer to offload its heavy processing to the more powerful Harvard PDP-10 and another computer miles Away at MIT. The experiment was a breakthrough, proving that 3D graphics and programs could work between computers over ARPANET, the proto-internet. Cohen had recently left Harvard for the University of Southern California, and the two graduate students, Taft and Bob Metcalf, had started jobs at Xerox PARC, the copier maker's Innovative research arm. In time, Cohen and his colleagues would become known for major contributions to software and networking. Taft joined Adobe, where he helped birth PostScript and PDF. Metcalf co-invented the Ethernet networking technology and started the company 3Com. Hearing about these experiments gave

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[24:02] 3D Baseball Game

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3D Baseball Game

• The Narrator wanted to create a 3D baseball park simulation with multiple camera angles, using the PDP-1 for controls and the PDP-10 for physics calculations.

• Tom Cheatham sponsored the project, which aimed to connect graphics-capable PVP-1 with a more powerful machine.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

Instead of the view from a plane cockpit, I pictured a 3D baseball park with the computer's displays each offering a different real-time camera angle of the game. A player would use the joystick and other PDP-1 controls to pitch, hit, and catch, with the computer sending data over ARPANET for the PDP-10 to calculate the complex physics of ball Speed, trajectory, and a runner rounding the bases. It would be a tough program to write, requiring a lot of work to simulate the complexity of a real game. How do you train a computer to animate a player scooping up a ground ball or stretching for a pop fly? What does the shortstop do when there's a single to left field with runners on first and third? I wrote a proposal for a three-dimensional three-camera interactive graphics system, aka a computer-based ballgame, and brought it to Tom Cheatham. I asked if he would be my faculty sponsor on the project. He seemed excited by the idea and signed on. A baseball simulation was a deliberately ambitious plan. I had sold my programming skills to Cheatham. A part of me wanted to prove to him that I could live up to my own height. Graphics and networking were two of the hottest areas in computing at the time. Both fields were in their infancy.

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[33:37] Harvard’s Academic Intimidation

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Harvard’s Academic Intimidation

• The narrator felt lost at Harvard because everyone was striving to be the best, unlike their previous school.

• They stopped attending organic chemistry class due to intimidation.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

Sure, take a trimester off to work. At Harvard, I was on my own, swimming in a much bigger pool. Everyone had been the top of their high school class. Everyone knew how to excel, and everyone was striving to be the best. I had felt this acutely when I walked into my organic chemistry class and found myself surrounded by hundreds of students, mostly pre-meds determined to excel in the class, an essential Hurdle in the long road to becoming a doctor. I had signed up for the simple reason that I loved high school chemistry with Dr. Morris. Organic seemed like the next logical step, even if I had no plans for medical school. Focused intently on the professor at the front of the huge lecture hall, my classmates sat with the monstrous textbook balanced on their knees as they agilely snapped together molecules From kits of colored balls and sticks. It was intimidating. A few weeks into the semester, I stopped going to class. I rationalized that since our whole grade was based on the final exam, all I had to do was learn everything by the end of the term. And since the organic chemistry lectures were videotaped and available in the science center, I could just watch those instead of attending the lectures live. Harvard had

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[35:30] Extreme Study Habits

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Extreme Study Habits

• To cope with Harvard’s challenges, the narrator adopted an extreme study rhythm, staying awake for 36-hour stretches.

• Exhaustion led to crashing in Wig A11 for 12+ hours, often with shoes on and a blanket over the head.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

I threw myself into a daily rhythm that worked for me even if it seemed extreme to my friends. Between studying and programming, I could be awake for 36 hours at a stretch. Whenever exhaustion took over, I'd head back to Wig A11, crash for 12 or more hours, often fully clothed, sometimes with my shoes still on, always with my yellow electric blanket over My head to block the daylight. When I woke up, I'd

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[37:09] Organic Chemistry

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Organic Chemistry

• The narrator skipped organic chemistry lectures, relying on video recordings. The videos were hard to follow, and he realized he was screwed, ultimately receiving his lowest grade in college.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

At least I'm Harvard's best at one thing. Toward the end of the semester, I walked into the video room, stunned to find it full of my organic chemistry classmates, re-watching the lectures they had dutifully attended all semester, Textbooks open, and molecule models in hand. The videos were hard to follow. Sometimes the audio cut out. Other times, the screen went blank, leaving the professor's words meaningless without the visual. At certain moments while watching the videos, classmates in unison snapped together the white hydrogen atoms with black carbon ones and discussed whether the thing was isometrically Symmetric or was it symmetrically isometric. Oh shit, I thought. I'm screwed. I got a C in that class, the lowest grade I would receive in college. I didn't take the second half of organic chem in the spring. As a freshman, I was paired with an academic advisor

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[39:19] Being Called Precocious

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Being Called Precocious

• The narrator’s freshman advisor called him ‘precocious’ after hearing him enthusiastically discussing the future of computers.

• Initially taking it as an insult due to his mother’s negative use of the word, he later learned its true meaning: exceptionally early development.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

But that first meeting took me aback. Don't remember exactly what I said, but I recall diving into that hyperkinetic stream of thought typical of me at the time, enthusing about how computers of tomorrow would be vastly Different from the dusty old things we know today, and explaining that I signed up for the psychology class because someday computers would match the power of the human brain. Absorbing this swirl of words, my advisor said, you are very precocious. Up until that moment, I had never heard anyone call me that word except my mother, and the way she used it wasn't complimentary. You're being a precocious brat, she'd say, when I was talking back, challenging her on something. Having heard the word only in that context, I took it as an insult, a sharp verbal slap. I walked out of that meeting dejected, stunned that the advisor saw me in a negative light. Was on to me. I was a misbehaving fifth grader all over again. Can you believe it? The guy called me precocious. I told my friends back at the dorm, seeking confirmation that my advisor had crossed some line of propriety. No one reacted. Precocious! That's so rude! But Bill, you are precocious, Andy said. Now I was doubly dejected. Even my friends thought I was a brat. Andy told me I didn't know the meaning of the word. Go look it up, someone said. I did. Exceptionally early development. Exhibiting mature qualities at an unusually early age. I was the kid who was more comfortable speaking with adults than with my peers, conversant in what I thought of as adult knowledge.

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[43:32] Math 55 Disillusionment

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Math 55 Disillusionment

• Realize that a B+ in Math 55, while an achievement, indicated a gap between knowing enough and being a ‘fake’.

• Recognize lacking the gift of insight necessary for groundbreaking mathematical discoveries despite talent.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

The gap between B plus and A was the difference between being the top person in the class and being a fake. Severe take was that everyone in that class was the best person they knew in math up to that point. All of us had 800s on our math SAT. All of us entered college thinking we would be the best. And when we weren't, well, we'd been victims of self-deception. We were frauds in my book. My inability to do better in that class forced me to reconsider how I thought of myself. I so deeply identified with being the smartest, the best. That status was a shield behind which I hid my insecurities. Up until then, I had experienced only a few situations in which I felt someone was hands down better than I was in some intellectual endeavor that mattered to me. And in those cases, I soaked up what they could teach me. This time was different. I was recognizing that while I had an excellent math brain, I didn't have the gift of insight that sets apart the best mathematicians. I had talent, but not the ability to make

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[44:26] Redefining Self-Identity

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Redefining Self-Identity

• The speaker realized that their identity was deeply tied to being the smartest and the best.

• This status had served as a shield, hiding their insecurities until Math 55 challenged this self-perception.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

Up until then, I had experienced only a few situations in which I felt someone was hands down better than I was in some intellectual endeavor that mattered to me. And in those cases, I soaked up what they could teach me. This time was different. I was recognizing that while I had an excellent math brain, I didn't have the gift of insight that sets apart the best mathematicians. I had talent, but not the ability to make fundamental discoveries. I saw a vision of myself in 10 years, teaching in a university, but not good enough to do groundbreaking work. I wasn't going to be a John Mather operating in the zone where math touches the deep secrets of the universe. I wasn't alone. Hanging out in

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[55:26] DEC Job Offer

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DEC Job Offer

• The Narrator interviewed at DEC for a job with the makers of the Topps 10 operating system, software he knew well.

• He was offered the position, which was flattering, but he didn’t take it, feeling he only needed a confidence boost.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

At DEC, I interviewed with the makers of the Topps 10 operating system. Topps was the same software I had banged on at C-Cubed and that Paul, Rick, and I helped customize at Bonneville. I knew it cold. At DEC, I was awed by everyone I met and basked in the feeling that I was valued for skills I had been honing for so long. They offered me the position. It was incredibly flattering. The deck people were kind to even consider me. And yet, I didn't take the job. I felt bad. I think at that moment, just needed a confidence boost. For an afternoon, I was back in a world that I fully understood, with people who spoke my language and who affirmed that I had something

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[55:54] Declined Job Offers

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Declined Job Offers

• The speaker declined a job offer from DEC, despite it being flattering, as they only needed a confidence boost at that time.

• The offers gave the speaker a story to tell his friends, proving their value to the world.

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**Narrator (Primary storyteller)**

The deck people were kind to even consider me. And yet, I didn't take the job. I felt bad. I think at that moment, just needed a confidence boost. For an afternoon, I was back in a world that I fully understood, with people who spoke my language and who affirmed that I had something to contribute. I received a few other offers that spring, including one to be a programmer at General Electric's appliance facility in Kentucky. I declined them all. It had been a test of sorts. Could I get offers? I didn't need the actual job. The offers gave me a story to tell my friends, as if I had proof of my value to the world, even without the high-class education we were all striving for. I

Chapter Eleven: Wild Card

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[00:06] Recurring Dream

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Recurring Dream

• The speaker describes a recurring dream of panic at Harvard, where it’s late in the semester, and he can’t find his class or textbook.

• This dread stems from his approach to classes starting in his sophomore year.

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**Unknown Speaker**

I have a recurring dream that even now can jolt me out of bed. The dream gets right to the point. Panic. I'm at Harvard. It's late in the semester, and I still haven't figured out where my class is meeting. I haven't figured out the textbook I need. I'm wandering around looking for the lecture hall or the final exam room, and I feel dread. I've run out of time, and I'll never get my act together. I put off studying too long. I will fail. I can trace the source of that anxiety to my general approach to classes from my sophomore year.

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[08:51] LSD Thought Experiment

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LSD Thought Experiment

• The speaker, while on LSD, had a thought experiment about the brain being a computer that can be wiped clean of memories.

• The speaker was relieved the next day to find all memories were intact, making it one of the last times the speaker would do LSD.

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**Unknown Speaker**

At the height of the evening, a curious train of logic passed through my mind. On a computer, you can delete a file and even wipe out all of your stored data. Since the brain is just a sophisticated computer, I thought, hey, maybe I can command my brain to zero out all my memories. But then I got worried that testing that notion might actually set it irrevocably into motion. Better not even think about it. Taking a shower the next day, I ran through an inventory of my cherished memories, relieved to find that everything was intact. That would be one of the

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[28:30] Calling MITS

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Calling MITS

• Paul and the speaker debated who should call MITS, fearing they wouldn’t be taken seriously.

• They compromised, and the speaker called from his dorm room, surprised he got Ed Roberts, the MITS president, on the phone.

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**Unknown Speaker**

We worried that anyone who knew we were just a college kid and a low-level programmer at Honeywell would never take us seriously. That was why Paul was so definitive in his letter, that we had a version of basic ready to go, and that's why I wanted Paul to do the talking. He was older had a deeper voice. And for those reasons was probably the best public face of whatever company we started. Plus he had signed the January letter. But Paul thought I should call. I was quicker on my feet and had more experience talking business. We compromised. From my dorm room, early one night in February, I dialed the telephone number listed in the popular electronics article. When the woman who answered

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[39:17] Bootstrap Loader

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Bootstrap Loader

• On the plane, Paul Allen realized they forgot to write the bootstrap loader to load their program into the Altair’s memory.

• He wrote the missing lines of code on a notepad during the flight.

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**Unknown Speaker**

On the plane, Paul realized we didn't write a small bit of code, called a bootstrap loader, to tell the Altair to load our program in memory and launch it. Paul pulled out a notepad and madly wrote out the missing lines of code. At MITS the following day, they had readied a machine

Chapter Twelve: Be So Correct

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[05:08] Naming Microsoft

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Naming Microsoft

• Paul suggested combining ‘microcomputers’ and ‘software’ for the company’s name.

• Bill Gates agreed, and they decided on the name Microsoft.

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**Narrator (episode host)**

It was Paul who had the next thought. Since we were writing software for microcomputers, how about combining those two words? I agree. We had our name, Microsoft. Around that time, I saw Eric Roberts, no relation to Ed Roberts,

Chapter Thirteen: Micro-Soft

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[01:49] Homebrew Computer Club’s First Glimpse

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Homebrew Computer Club’s First Glimpse

• 32 hobbyists gathered to exchange information on the Altair in Menlo Park, California.

• A carpenter named Steve Dompier toggled in a simple program that played a staccato rendition of the Beatles’ Fool on the Hill through an AM radio.

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**Bill Gates**

In Menlo Park, California, a group of 32 hobbyists had gathered in March in a garage to swap information on the Altair. Ahead of that meeting, one member had driven from California to Albuquerque just to see if the company behind the mail-order computer was real. He had met Ed Roberts and learned that MITS had taken orders for far more computers than it was prepared to deliver. By the club's next meeting, members got their first glimpse of an Altair. With no software, keyboard, or display, the computer's new owner, a carpenter named Steve Dompier, toggled in a simple program. When he flicked the final switch, the Altair played a staccato rendition of the Beatles' Fool on the Hill through, surprisingly, an AM radio. He followed with Daisy Daisy, which, as everyone listening probably knew, was the first song ever played on

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[16:11] Paul Allen’s Crucial Role

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Paul Allen’s Crucial Role

• Paul Allen helped set Microsoft’s technology direction and maintained development tools.

• His simulator for the PDP-10 enabled creating BASIC without an Altair and adapting software for different processors.

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**Bill Gates**

For Microsoft, Paul helped set our technology direction and was the keeper of our development tools. The work that he had done to create the simulator for the PDP-10 and related tools would pay dividends for years. Not only did they enable us to create our first BASIC without an Altair or Intel 8080, over time, Paul would adapt the tools so we could write versions of the language and other software For different processors.

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[20:18] Rick’s courage to come out

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Rick’s courage to come out

• In the early 1970s, homosexuality was widely stigmatized, so it took courage for Rick to come out to Bill and Paul.

• Despite not being emotionally expressive, their friendship provided a safe space for Rick during a challenging time.

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**Bill Gates**

At the time, I probably didn't fully appreciate how much courage it took Rick to come out. In the early 1970s, homosexuality was still widely stigmatized, and the gay rights movement was just starting. There wasn't a lot of support available. And it's not like our group spent time bearing our emotional selves to each other. We were close friends, partners in our little ventures. We goofed around, spent time talking technology, eating out and seeing movies. But we didn't often, if ever, reveal our deepest feelings and vulnerabilities. In some ways, we were still the same adolescents who first met in the lakeside computer room. Our team dynamic was also unchanged. Paul continued to soak up all the latest technology news and data, processing it into ideas that might help advance Microsoft. Rick's strength was to bear down on a job and methodically tackle every step until it was complete, which for coding was exactly what we needed. I was the one mapping out our strategy and vision, always worried that we weren't moving fast enough or working hard enough. This had been the case ever since we all worked on the payroll job in high school. At Lakeside, that arrangement gave Paul the space to do the work he liked and was best at and leave the rest to me. Now, as we were getting Microsoft off the ground, we naturally assumed those roles. Paul focusing on technology innovations, such as his simulator and tools, and me writing new software and

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[24:51] Coding All Day

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Coding All Day

• Bill Gates recalls coding for days on end, sleeping at the terminal or on the floor.

• Paul would work at MITS, join Bill at 2 a.m., and then they would eat breakfast at Denny’s.

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**Bill Gates**

Life that fall was mostly a whirl of writing code for days on end and sleeping only when I had to, and often wherever I happened to be. I'd catnap at the terminal or just crawl onto the floor next to it. Paul would finish his day job at Mitt's, walk over to our part of the building to put in a few hours on Microsoft, then go home to sleep for a bit before returning at 2 a.m. To find me still at the terminal. As Mitt's employees arrived to work later that morning, Paul and I would head to Denny's for breakfast. Then I'd go back to 114 Portals to sleep for the rest of the day. By that time, we had also set up a terminal in our living room that you would connect over the phone line to the school district computer. Most days, Rick rolled off the couch and planted himself at that terminal, hammering out the 6800 basic code. On the floor would be strewn pages of our 8080 basic code he used as a guide. We never cooked at home. And aside from a jar of pickled pig's feet that Chris bought as a joke, our refrigerator was mostly empty. We ate every meal out, often at Fur's Cafeteria, one of a small local chain of restaurants, where I tried chicken fried steak for the first time, and then by habit, ate it nearly every Time we went to Furze from then on. I remember lots of Mexican food, consuming buckets of chili conquezo, and daring each other to eat a certain blistering green chili hot sauce. When Paul left Boston in the spring, he had bequeathed to me his Plymouth, by then on its last legs.

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[35:19] Ed Roberts’ flawed memory boards

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Ed Roberts’ flawed memory boards

• Bill Gates recounts how Ed Roberts continued selling flawed memory boards for the Altair due to financial pressures, ignoring advice.

• This led to customer complaints and strained MITS’s customer support, despite Ed’s later apology.

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**Bill Gates**

These boards were a big topic for the happy hour crowd. It was clear that Mitz should stop selling them. You should tell Ed, they said. I wrote software that diagnosed the problem as a combination of the design of the cards and the fact that certain memory chips leaked their electric charge too quickly. I showed the results to Ed and said he needed to stop selling the boards until we could fix the problem. He told me he couldn't. You don't understand that the banks are breathing down our necks, he yelled. I didn't back down. I shot back. Stop selling the boards. We'll get this solved. Just stop selling the boards until we do. Instead, he kept shipping them and they boomeranged back so fast that Mitt's customer support couldn't keep up with the complaints and demands for replacements. In computer notes, Ed apologized for the card failures. Mitt's, he said, was trying to train customer support people faster. Please bear with us. We are trying, he wrote. I would come to see Ed as the consummate entrepreneur, a polymath, curious about many things, and willing to put aside the hard details in pursuit of a grand idea. The type of person who comes up with the brilliant idea isn't often the best person to turn it into a business. In the time I knew him, Ed would find any number of new passions and

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[43:09] Declined Judgeship

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Declined Judgeship

• Bill Gates’ father declined a federal judgeship nomination. He felt obligated to stay with his law firm during a difficult time and Gates’ mother didn’t want to cut back her activities.

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**Bill Gates**

The profits are murky. I had returned to Albuquerque after the holidays when I got a call from my parents, who told me that my father was a top pick for a federal judgeship. The chief judge of the U.S. District Court in our area had died suddenly while playing tennis, and the Ford administration had my father at the top of the list to replace him. It was amazing news, but my dad confided that after some thought, he had declined. His law firm had been through a tough period, and he felt the timing was inopportune. Leaving would have been a blow to the firm. In my dad's world, a judgeship was the top of the heap, as prestigious a position as you could get, but he felt he owed it to his colleagues to stay. Plus, as the wife of a judge, my mom might have had to cut back her activities at a time that her career was thriving.

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[43:12] 1min Snip

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**Bill Gates**

I had returned to Albuquerque after the holidays when I got a call from my parents, who told me that my father was a top pick for a federal judgeship. The chief judge of the U.S. District Court in our area had died suddenly while playing tennis, and the Ford administration had my father at the top of the list to replace him. It was amazing news, but my dad confided that after some thought, he had declined. His law firm had been through a tough period, and he felt the timing was inopportune. Leaving would have been a blow to the firm. In my dad's world, a judgeship was the top of the heap, as prestigious a position as you could get, but he felt he owed it to his colleagues to stay. Plus, as the wife of a judge, my mom might have had to cut back her activities at a time that her career was thriving.

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[49:29] NCR Deal

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NCR Deal

• Gates and Allen signed a deal to tailor 8080Basic to the NCR 7200 for $150,000 and needed someone to manage the NCR job.

• Gates estimated that it would take one person two and a half months of hard work to adapt BASIC for the NCR terminal.

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**Bill Gates**

That spring, we had signed the deal to tailor 8080Basic to the NCR 7200 for what at the time was the staggering sum of $150,000. Since MITS had the exclusive rights to sub-license our software, we'd have to split that amount with them evenly. The NCR negotiations came right as classes were starting, which meant we needed to find someone to manage the NCR job. I wrote a letter to Rick in which I estimated that it would take one person two and a half months of work, which would involve all rewriting and additions needed to adapt BASIC for the NCR Terminal. That time, I told him, was measured in Gates Months, a self-referential attempt to make it clear that I meant hard work full-time with no distractions. In his reply, Rick informed me that after graduating in the spring, he'd likely go on to a master's degree or to law school. I'd have to find someone else. Though the MITS computer continued to sell well, only a small portion of customers were paying for BASIC.

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[53:04] Open Letter to Hobbyists

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Open Letter to Hobbyists

• Bill Gates wrote an open letter to hobbyists expressing his frustration with software piracy. He was upset that most users stole their software.

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**Bill Gates**

Why is this? As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal your software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something to share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid? Is this fair? One thing you don't do by stealing software is get back at MITS

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[57:53] First Professional Speech

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First Professional Speech

• Bill Gates nervously walked on stage at the World Altair Convention in Albuquerque.

• He gave his first professional speech about BASIC as the future of software.

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**Bill Gates**

Days later, on March 27, 1976, I nervously walked on stage at the grandly named World Altair Convention, held at an airport hotel in Albuquerque. The confab was dreamed up by Dave Bunnell, the MITS writer, as a way to further spread the buzz over the Altair. Ed Roberts was stunned that over 700 people showed up. Thanks to the open letter, my reputation preceded me. This would be my first professional speech. I had carefully crafted my talk, an update on BASIC as the future of software, and put on my best tie and my only sport jacket to lay out an argument for why software was the most important Part of the computer. It sounds obvious now, but it took some imagination to envision how these machines could evolve. My main memory of the talk is that when it ended, a scrum of people formed around me asking questions. I had never experienced that before. Strangers circled around, all eyes on me.

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[01:02:25] Microsoft’s Business Plan

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Microsoft’s Business Plan

• Gates, Allen, and McDonald created a three-way partnership with clear roles while Gates was in school and Allen worked at MITS.

• They planned to offer software and consulting, aiming for growth and profitability.

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**Bill Gates**

Then barrage potential customers with letters offering our software and consulting. We might even spring for an answering service on the chance that orders would start flooding in. If I stayed in college, I would work part-time and handle legal and financial management and whatever programming we needed. Rick would manage the company and serve as president while I was in school. While continuing to work at MITS, Paul would be responsible for finding Microsoft new technology opportunities and maintaining our relationship with existing customers, including MITS, NCR, and another smart terminal maker we had landed called Data Terminal Corporation. I scribbled down our business plan on seven pages of copier paper. My guiding principle was not getting ahead of ourselves and drowning in costs. That meant we'd each get paid $9 an hour. The $9 figure for partners is enough to live nicely on and will not be changed dependent on success, individual effort, individual luck, etc. The only basis for changing this will be if it needs to be lowered because MSoft cannot afford it. Our two main goals, I wrote, were, one, grow in size and reputation, and two, make money. That letter marked the next phase of a concerted effort to establish ourselves as an independent company.

Chapter Fourteen: Source Code

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[06:58] Microsoft’s Early Sales Efforts

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Microsoft’s Early Sales Efforts

• In the 1970s, Microsoft’s sales efforts involved typed letters and phone calls to many companies.

• Bill Gates shares an entry from the Microsoft Journal about trying to contact Steve Jobs, who was very rude.

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**Bill Gates**

Typed letters and phone call after phone call to company after company, hoping to reach someone who might be interested in buying our software. A sample. Saturday, July 24th, 2.45, try Steve Jobs, give his mom message. July 27th, 10.55, try Steve Jobs, busy. 11.15, Steve Jobs calls, was very rude. 11.30, try Pedal again, must talk to him. Pedal was Chuck

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[13:30] Meeting Steve Ballmer

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Meeting Steve Ballmer

• Bill Gates took courses in British history and a graduate-level economic theory class.

• There he met Steve Ballmer, who was described by a mutual friend as being “a lot like you.”

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**Bill Gates**

I signed up for a course in British history during the Industrial Revolution and used my applied math wildcard to talk my way into Econ 2010, a graduate-level economic theory class. There was another undergraduate in the class, a math major named Steve Ballmer. The previous year, a Courier House friend had suggested that I meet a guy who lived down the hall. Steve's a lot like

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[26:13] Pertec Acquisition Fallout

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Pertec Acquisition Fallout

• After Pertec began courting MITS, everything Microsoft-related stopped, including royalty payments and licensing deals.

• Bill Gates felt abandoned when Rick told him he was leaving Microsoft to live in Los Angeles.

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**Bill Gates**

Soon after Pertech began courting MITS, everything Microsoft-related stopped completely. Royalty payments stopped. Licensing deals stopped. Ed had already told us that he refused to sell our basic to any company he thought would compete with MITS. By late 1976, his definition of competitor had widened to include the entire industry. Over Christmas break in Seattle, I got a letter from Rick. Another change of heart, he was going to leave Microsoft. After further soul searching, he had reached the conclusion that he wanted to live in Los Angeles, where he thought he could build a vibrant social life. There was also a small but established software company in LA that wanted to hire him. I felt abandoned. When we spoke next, I accused him of misleading me the prior spring when he assured me of his commitment to Microsoft.

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[32:50] Sam Strum

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Sam Strum

• Bill Gates’ mom arranged a lunch with Sam Strum, hoping he’d encourage Bill to stay in school.

• Instead, Strum was excited about Microsoft and software, which assuaged her concerns a little.

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**Bill Gates**

My parents knew it would be pointless to tell me to stay in school. I was too independent, but my mom sometimes used subtle means to try to convince me. At some point during either that year or the previous one, she arranged for me to meet a prominent Seattle businessman, Sam Strum, who had built a big chain of electronics stores before Acquiring and expanding a major regional auto parts chain. He was also very active in nonprofits, a pillar of Seattle society. My mom got to know him through her work with the United Way. Over lunch, I explained to Microsoft and my plan to make software for every microprocessor we could and how that market would grow and our company along with it. Whatever hope my mother may have had for that lunch, I don't think it was achieved. Instead of telling me to stay the course at Harvard, Sam was excited by what I was doing. His enthusiasm might have assuaged my mom's concerns a little, but not fully. Sam liked to joke years later that he regretted not writing me a check for part of the company at that lunch. If Microsoft doesn't work out, I'll go back to school, I assured my parents. Back in Albuquerque, I told Paul I wanted to make the split 64-36. He pushed back. We argued, but eventually he gave in. I feel bad now that I pushed him. But at the time, I felt the split accurately reflected the commitment Microsoft needed from each of us. We signed an agreement in early February and made it official. A little over three years later, that slice of the company would come up again as I was trying to convince Steve Ballmer to quit business school to join Microsoft. As an incentive, I included that extra 4% as part of his package. He joined in 1980 and became the 24-hour partner I needed.

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[36:55] Cement Plant Road

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Cement Plant Road

• Bill Gates and Chris Larson would take high-speed drives on Cement Plant Road in Gates’ Porsche. They discovered bulldozers with keys in the ignition and taught themselves how to drive them at night.

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**Bill Gates**

Late one night, we stopped at the plant and discovered they kept a couple of bulldozers with keys in the ignition. Chris and I spent more than a few nights at the top of that cement plant road teaching ourselves how to drive the massive earth movers. Racing around in my car at night with Chris, seeing movies and hanging out with Paul and the rest of the Microsoft team was the extent of my non-work life in Albuquerque. Steve and Marla Wood, who as the only married couple in the group offered a dose of domesticity, would often host us for dinner, or we'd head to Paul's house to watch shows on his projection TV. We found ourselves obsessed with The Palacers, a BBC production of Anthony Trollope's Palisers novels. We'd meet after work, settle on the couch and carpet, and get thoroughly sucked into 22 hours of the dukes and duchesses, love triangles, and money troubles of Victorianing. Spring arrived in 1977, it was increasingly clear to me that MITS and Pertec had no intention of paying us back royalties or sub-licensing 8080 BASIC to any other companies. In their eyes, they owned the software, and we were a nuisance, a small wrench in their plan to buy the leading personal computer maker. Pertec

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[45:50] Meeting Steve Jobs

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Meeting Steve Jobs

• At the first West Coast Computer Fair, Bill Gates saw Steve Jobs for the first time.

• Gates noticed Jobs holding court with a group of people and felt he had a certain aura.

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**Bill Gates**

In April, amid the standoff, I flew to San Francisco to attend the first West Coast Computer Fair. Walking into the Civic Auditorium, I was astounded. Thousands of people, all told, just under 13,000 attendees over two days were pushing their way through the rows of booths of companies like ours, processor technology, IMS Associates, And Commodore showing its PET. To a company all focused on personal computers. In that moment, I felt that the industry had arrived. On the first day, I was talking to a crowd of people about our extended basic when out of the corner of my eye, I noticed a handsome guy around my age with long black hair, a tightly cropped Beard, and a three-piece suit. He was a few booths away, holding court with his own gaggle of people. Even from a distance, I could tell he had a certain aura about him. I said to myself, who is that guy? That was the day I met Steve Jobs.

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[52:58] Arbitration Show

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Arbitration Show

• Bill Gates describes his participation in the arbitration hearings against MITS.

• He brought a briefcase overflowing with documents, partly for show, to appear super prepared.

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**Bill Gates**

Eddie Curry played the same role for the mid-side. Rick, Paul, and I were deposed, as well as Ed Roberts, Eddie, and various other people from the companies. The stakes for Microsoft aside, I found the proceedings fascinating. In full Kent fashion, I showed up every day with my own monstrosity of a briefcase stuffed with every document I would ever need. I'd rustle around in the briefcase and yank out paper after paper to find a reference, but also for the show of it. I was hoping for an

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[56:13] Cash Crunch

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Cash Crunch

• Microsoft needed cash with money from Mitz on hold, and Bill Gates considered borrowing from his parents to keep the company afloat.

• Paul Allen even suggested settling with MITS due to their financial worries, but Gates trusted his father and Paul Mines’ assessment that they would win arbitration.

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**Bill Gates**

In one of my many phone calls with my parents that summer, I broached the subject that I wanted to avoid. I might need to borrow some money to keep us going. At that point, we owed Paul Mines about $30,000. We had employees to pay, and our cash flow had slowed to a trickle. Paul was worried enough one night to tell me we should consider settling with MITS. Both Paul Mines and my father had assured me that we would likely win the arbitration, I told him. We should trust them. The day after our hearings ended, Paul and I took our Microsoft employees for a lunch of prime rib and salad bar at a chain called Big Valley Ranch, which for us was

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[57:53] Bob Greenberg’s Loan

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Bob Greenberg’s Loan

• Bob Greenberg loaned Microsoft $7,000 to make payroll.

• Greenberg’s father was upset that his son took the job and made the loan.

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**Bill Gates**

I don't know if our company lunch that week prompted what happened next, but Microsoft got a lucky break. Bob Greenberg, who had worked with us for less than a month, told me he would loan Microsoft $7,000, enough to help make our payroll. Years later, neither Bob nor I could remember whether I asked or he offered, but the loan transpired with the agreement that Microsoft would pay him interest of $80 a month. When he learned of the loan, Bob's father chastised him. Already upset that he'd taken the job at Microsoft and not at a brand name company, he said, when you get a job, they pay you. You do know that, right? Hoping I could drum up more money, a day after receiving Bob's loan, I wrote

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[01:08:43] Bill Gates and Ed Roberts

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Bill Gates and Ed Roberts

• Bill Gates shares how he called Ed Roberts when he heard he was hospitalized, acknowledging he had learned a lot from him.

• Gates later visited Roberts in Georgia before he passed away, reminiscing about the early days of the PC industry with Roberts’ son.

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**Bill Gates**

As our paths diverged, we saw each other less and less. In 2009, when I heard that Ed was hospitalized with pneumonia, I called him. We hadn't talked in many years, but I knew he still felt some ill will. On the call, I told him that I wanted him to know that I learned a lot from him when we worked together, something I never would have said at the time. I was very immature and a bit arrogant, but I've changed a lot since then, I told him. That seemed to break the ice, and we had a great talk. We did a lot of good, important work, he said. I agreed. We really did. A few months later, when Ed's condition worsened, I flew to Georgia to visit him. He was hardly conscious. But for a couple of hours, I talked to him and with his son, David, recounting the early days of the industry. He died not long after, in April 2010, at age 68. Beyond being the first to market a commercially successful personal computer, Ed Roberts wrote the blueprint for how the personal computer industry would develop. Mitza's newsletter was the first magazine

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[01:08:59] Reconnecting with Ed Roberts

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Reconnecting with Ed Roberts

• Bill Gates shares how he reconnected with Ed Roberts after many years, expressing his gratitude for what he learned from him.

• Before Ed Roberts passed away, Bill Gates visited him in Georgia and recounted the early days of the industry.

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**Bill Gates**

On the call, I told him that I wanted him to know that I learned a lot from him when we worked together, something I never would have said at the time. I was very immature and a bit arrogant, but I've changed a lot since then, I told him. That seemed to break the ice, and we had a great talk. We did a lot of good, important work, he said. I agreed. We really did. A few months later, when Ed's condition worsened, I flew to Georgia to visit him. He was hardly conscious. But for a couple of hours, I talked to him and with his son, David, recounting the early days of the industry. He died not long after, in April 2010, at age 68. Beyond being the first to market a commercially successful personal computer, Ed Roberts wrote the blueprint for how the personal computer industry would develop. Mitza's newsletter was the first magazine devoted to PCs. The company sponsored the first PC trade show. The first computer stores were Altair dealers, and user groups that sprung up around the machine catalyzed the founding of important companies, including Apple. Yet during our talk, David told me his dad felt that his achievements as a small town doctor were as meaningful as all he had done to start a technology revolution. By the end of 1977, the Commodore PET,

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[01:12:18] Commodore Basic Easter Egg

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Commodore Basic Easter Egg

• Microsoft added an Easter egg into Commodore Basic. When users entered the command ‘wait, 6502,1,’ the word ‘Microsoft!’ would appear.

• Bill Gates mentions that Microsoft was no longer dependent on MITS, so they could consider a permanent home.

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**Bill Gates**

And the pet was simply Commodore Basic. In a version for Commodore, we squeezed a little surprise into the code. If a pet user happened to enter the command, wait, 6502,1, one word would appear on the upper left of their screen. Microsoft! With Microsoft no longer

Epilogue | End Credits

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[07:01] Richard Feynman

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Richard Feynman

• Bill Gates watched Richard Feynman’s physics lectures in his early 30s and was captivated by Feynman’s mastery and childlike wonder.

• Gates then read everything Feynman wrote, recognizing the joy Feynman derived from uncovering new knowledge.

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**Bill Gates**

I spent a rare vacation in my early 30s watching films of Richard Feynman teaching physics to university students. I was instantly captivated by the absolute mastery he had of his topic and the childlike wonder he showed in explaining it. I quickly read everything he wrote that I could find. I recognized the joy he derived from uncovering new knowledge and exploring the mysteries of the world.

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[09:12] Neurodiversity

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Neurodiversity

• Bill Gates speculates that he might be diagnosed on the autism spectrum if he were growing up today.

• He notes that different brain processing wasn’t widely understood during his childhood.

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**Bill Gates**

If I were growing up today, I probably would be diagnosed on the autism spectrum. In the time of my childhood,

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[09:12] Neurodiversity

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Neurodiversity

• Bill Gates reflects that if he were growing up today, he would probably be diagnosed on the autism spectrum.

• In his childhood, it wasn’t widely understood that some people’s brains process information differently.

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**Bill Gates**

If I were growing up today, I probably would be diagnosed on the autism spectrum. In the time of my childhood, the fact that some people's brains process information differently from others widely understood. The term neurodivergent wouldn't be coined until the 1990s. My parents had no guideposts or textbooks to help them grasp why their son became so obsessed with certain projects, tiny Delaware,

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[09:28] Parental Support

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Parental Support

• Bill Gates’ parents created opportunities for him to develop social skills and gave him room to grow emotionally. They pushed him out into the world, involving him in baseball, Cub Scouts, and family dinners.

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**Bill Gates**

The term neurodivergent wouldn't be coined until the 1990s. My parents had no guideposts or textbooks to help them grasp why their son became so obsessed with certain projects, tiny Delaware, missed social cues, and could be rude or inappropriate Without seeming to notice his effect on others. There's no way for me to know if this was something Dr. Cressy recognized or mentioned. What I do know is that my parents afforded me the precise blend of support and pressure I needed. They gave me room to grow emotionally, and they created opportunities for me to develop my social skills.

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[11:33] Bill Gates’ Mother

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Bill Gates’ Mother

• Bill Gates’ mother instilled in him a strong ambition to succeed and reminded him that he was a steward of any wealth he gained.

• She emphasized the responsibility to give wealth away, a value Bill Gates regrets she didn’t live long enough to see him fully embrace.

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**Bill Gates**

It was as if I needed to clear my mom's bar by such a wide margin that there would be nothing left to say on the matter. But of course, there was always something to be said. It was my mother who regularly reminded me that I was merely a steward of any wealth I gained. With wealth came the responsibility to give it away, she would tell me. I regret that my mom didn't live long enough to see how fully I've tried to meet that expectation. She passed away in 1994 at age 64 from breast cancer.

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[12:50] Self-Understanding

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Self-Understanding

• Bill Gates reflects on how piecing together memories helps him better understand himself.

• He finds that much of who you are was there from the start.

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**Bill Gates**

Piecing together memories helps me better understand myself, it turns out. It's a marvel of adulthood to realize that when you strip away all the years and all the learning, much of who you are was there from the start. In many ways, I'm still that eight-year sitting at Gammy's dining room table as she deals the cards.